Bernard Dentzer (transcript only)

 

ORAL HISTORY OF: Bernard Dentzer, Plumber
Date: March 23, 1995
BD: I was born in this neighborhood and lived around Clark and Devon for many years My dad had a plumbing business that he started in the basement of what was that time a hardware store next to Alexander’s Restaurant. Alexander’s Restaurant was Sieblings Pharmacy at that time. Dad was in that basement for maybe six months to a year and then all of a sudden he decided to rent a store across the street at 6143 N. Clark.
CH: Have any idea when that was?
BD: About 1930, which means we’ve only been in business for sixty-six years, of course a short time in comparison with some of the other people in the neighborhood. When Dad moved over to 6143, the rent was getting a little high and the landlord wanted to raise to $60 a month so he decided it was time to build his own shop and about 1941 or 1942 he had bought half the lot along with Walter Hansen who owned the bunnygraph(?) next door. They each got 22 1/2 feet. Dad in 1948 got Somore & Croft,
contractors who did a lot of work in churches and schools and things like that. They’re still in business, I think. They built up the shop and we moved in in 1949, a nice, nice crisp cold day in February. We’ve been in here ever since to today, Thursday, March 23, 1995.
We’ve seen a few changes around the neighborhood, but basically it is still a very, very good neighborhood. A lot of fine buildings. The workmanship was fantastic at the time when they developed the neighborhood and it has stayed like that for the most part. There are some homes built in the 50s and 60s that really don’t have the grandeur you’re looking at in a fine old home made out of brick and so forth.
The Winsberg Dept. Store,- talk about being in business for a long time - Grandfather Winsberg started the first little store over there and lived on the second store in the back and he had his department store on the first floor. Then he moved over a little bit and there was a Wolf Bakery over here and the reason he sold his land to my dad and Walter Hanson was because he wanted to put up a Jewel, a store, and he needed the money for construction. Between the two of them (Winsberg and Wolf?) they paid $8,000 for the land or something like that. So Mr. Winsberg was able to build the Jewel and then he had this other little store; he had a cleaners and a shoe repair and what have you.
CH: Was that the Jewel on
BD: No, it was right here. It’s all part of what you see today on Clark Street as AC Uniform.
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BD: Yes. Jewel was in there which Irv Winsberg had built and he consequently I would say about the 1960s when his sons took over the business. He was still involved but the sons really took over. They took that store and the Jewel went over about three blocks south on the west side of the street. So he took that store and rather than renting it out, Moore Dept Store. And then they got involved in the uniform business and things like that, too. It just mushroomed and mushroomed and mushroomed.
Later, there was a doctor’s office put up here north of us -that was by Walter Hanson- and he had himself a nice office situation and then he had his bunnygraph(?) just north of there and two apartments up above and he lived in one for years and years. The bunnygraph(?) finally got sold. It all goes, just like everything. I think Joe Winsberg, her son, bought the property
and they developed it into condos and two apartments. The
other doctor’s office was part of the condo and what have you. Basically, that’s what we’re looking at all around us here. Across the street in the Patio Building, they have come and gone. Basically, I don’t even remember what was in there before the drug store on the corner. On the other corner was the Diner & Sieveling, and that has some heritage, too, because Sieveling’s daughter married a young man who was well known in Chicago, Bob
Moran, a (?) , and they lived down on Granville;
so there’s a lot of interconnections around here and it’s nice to know about the people and….
CH: And the things that transpired.
BD: Definitely, definitely. And then of course next to them, the hardware store was developed into Kilroy’s Tavern and that stayed for years and years, until one fellow bought out the tavern and the restaurant and the whole shot. Now he owned the property but he didn’t do anything with it. Then today, the fellow, John, that runs the restaurant, owns the property now, and and he owns the restaurant business and rents out to the tavern with that Principal of
CH: Champions.
BD: Yes, I was thinking of another place. That’s the name,
Champions. Across the way where the old place used to be, there
used to be a barber over there. This is about 6145 Clark, maybe, on the corner next to the alley. I remember as a kid, Frank, the barber, would come into my dad’s shop and say to me, "Hey, will you take these bills and money over to Winsberg’s and pay my
bills?" When I did, he would give me ten cents! Wow, I was
living!
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BD: Right. Exactly. Then my dad was next to Frank and then we had Henry Bush, the butcher, and we had Harkster who ran a little restaurant in there, and I just don’t remember before the advent of that laundromat on the corner of Hood and Clark - I just don’t remember what was in there.
CH: That wasn’t the same Bush that opened the sausage(?) shop?
BD: No, that was different altogether. In fact the fellow that
runs that is a fellow named McNamara. They’re on Milwaukee
Avenue, and we do occasional work for them. He went to high school with one of my brothers. That’s a funny thing you mention that!
CH: Yeah, yeah.
BD: And then you said, well Bush used to be on Ravenswood, for years. I think they were located on the third lot south of the alley, which would be south of Granville. Today they’ve got subsidized housing in there.
CH: Yeah. When did your father come over? He wasn’t born
here, was he?
BD: No, no. He came roughly about 1920. CH: You weren’t born yet?
BD:. No, no. I try to tell everybody I’m only 35, but it’s not working. No, I was born here in 1935.
CH: So your father came from Luxembourg. There were a lot of Luxembourgers that lived in this neighborhood.
BD: Loaded with them. Loaded with them. Plenty of them. CH: Is there still…
BD:: No, I don’t think there’s too many. There was one who was the head of everything, Leo Eckett. He had greenhouses just up from Ridge from the railroad tracks and made a couple of bucks when he sold the land.
CH: There were a whole bunch of greenhouses in that area.
DH: Yes. In fact, the last one to go, and I see they are breaking ground over there now, was Claudine.
CH: Was he a Luxembourger, too?
BD: I don’t know, to tell the truth. I know very little about Claudine. There was a guy who taught math over at Sullivan and-4-
I got to know him. He used to do a little side work over at Claudines and he would tell me about this, that and the other thing. He was an old time guy in the neighborhood, around for ages and ages. Oh, I remember that one lot - I don’t know if that’s still Z Frank’s lot over at Ravenswood and Peterson just west of the railroad tracks. That’s still an empty lot.
CH: Yeah, yeah. They have cars parked there every so often.
BD: Yeah. When we were kids, about 1941 or 1942, whatever,
they used to have pony rides and I remember like yesterday…going for the pony rides.
CH: Yeah, yeah. I didn’t know they were that recent, but it was on the top of a great big hill; remember you had to go way up to the top of the hill.
BD: It was up on the top of the hill, but of course, the government had it chopped down.
CH: They cut it all down. They hauled all that sand.
BD: Is that what they did with it? It helped you guys make some mortar, huh?
CH: Yep. So your father got probably got a lot of business from the Luxembourgers around here.
BD: Oh yeah. They sort of stuck together, those guys. CH: Yeah. I just wonder where they all went to.
BD: Unfortunately, a lot of them went out into the suburbs, Skokie, Morton Grove; there are a lot of Luxembourgers out there. Let’s see, where else? Those are two places where you find a few of them.
CH: Yeah, yeah.
BD: There aren’t too many around here.
CH: You don’t get a lot of business from Luxembourgers anymore, do you?
BD: Well, if they’re around and we’ve had them as customers, they seem to stick. I don’t know why, but they just….they’ve been working with us for years and they say, "Hey maybe, it’s a good idea."
CH: Yeah, yeah.
BD: "To stick around and do what we have to do, and Dentzer’ll
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give us a good shake on everything and have it all taken care of."
CH: Yeah. So how many sisters and brothers did you have?
BD: No sisters, but I’ve got three brothers. One used to be in business with me, but that turned out to be a little bad, and hadn’t worked in a few years. I’ve got another one who is an attorney and a CPA, and has an MBA in finance and dappled in that for a few years.
CH: He must have gone to college.
BD: Oh yes. Just a few years. Ha ha. CH: Did you get a chance at all?
BD: Oh yes, all four of us. My dad insisted that all four of us get our degree. It’s a very good thing. I don’t care what you do in life; it’s a very good thing. You get that education; you get a good smattering of what’s going around, and then, do what you want to do.
CH: What schools did you go to?
BD: Well, we had sixteen years of Jesuit influence. We happened to be in St. Ignatius Parish, and of course we went to that grammar school.
CH: Where is that?
BD: In the 1300 block of Loyola Avenue.
CH: Oh yeah.
BD: Just east of the church.
CH: I just thought that some of you went to Gregory.
BD: No, no. Dad just lived north of Clark. It was actually out of Edgewater.
CH: Yeah. Right.
BD: I hate to say that….
CH: But the business is in Edgewater.
BD: But the business has been in Edgewater all its conception and has stayed here. Hopefully, we’re going to stay here for many, many years. One of these days, I’ll give my son the keys to the front door and tell him, "There you are. You’ve got it.
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Go to work."
CH: Yeah. You mentioned something about Kranz. What do you know about Kranz?
BD: I know a little bit about him…not a real real lot. He was a complicated fellow. They were in the mortgage house business. He developed loans for people. He had property and going back to about 1900, 1910, 1920, somewhere around there and they helped all sorts of people develop mortgage loan. They had a tract. I think one of the tracts of land in this neighborhood is known as the Kranz Tract. His son-in-law, Cyrus Nussess (?) went into business with him and took over his father-in-law’s estate house over there on Sheridan Road which is now part of the Malibu East. There were three very nice stately houses over there. One happened to be inhabited by the Franciscans, an order of priests and they taught young men who wanted to become priests. Kranz and Nussesss were right in the center. And then on the other side, there were Mormons from Utah.
CH: Seventh Day Adventists?
BD: No, they were Mormons. They also had a house over there and we worked in all three of them. Very nice, elegant homes. You met the really really rich on the east side of Sheridan Road and then you’d come this way and you met just the ordinary type of person like you meet every day. A good smattering of society, very good.
CH: What else do we have?
BD: What else do we have is a good question. Dillon & Son, that’s one I’ve forgotten about. They used to be right across the street, 6216. On the west side of the street and they went all the way-I don’t remember if they had that little store just to the south of the entry, and then they had those four big plate glass windows. That was their showing parlor and what have you. There again, they were Luxembourger friends of my dad.
CH: Oh yeah.
BD: Yeah. And then about twenty-five years ago, they built the other parlor down here about a block and a half to the alley south on the east side of Clark Street. Had a good relationship with those people, too. They gave up about four or five years ago.
CH: Why?
BD: One of the brothers didn’t want it anymore, and the other brother was kind of sick. And the one brother’s son said, "Well, it not going to break my heart if you sell it. It was a
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complicated deal between the people that have it now and what ­what’s the name of funeral establishment over there on Clark near the present Jewel? Is that Lane Herson?
CH: Yeah. The one way down is Lanes.
BD: Yeah. There was one between Berrons and Lane anda out on Cicero; is that Smith?
CH: Is that Smith Coyne?
BD: Yeah. Somehow or another this whole thing got involved and Berron also had one and that establishment goes back to about 1850 or 1855 - it goes way, way back. Yeah, that was
generations involved in the funeral business. Their original place was right across from St. Alphonsis at Southport and Wellington.
CH: Yeah. Yeah.
BD: Ahhh…Oh that Certified over there. I don’t know if you remember much about that…
CH: Well, I’m a little bit older than you are, so you know I could go back a little further than you, but tell me what you remember.
BD: Well, it was Kroger, and I remember before Kroger there was this big lot and a little sign Upholstery in the plate glass window. Another little remembrance of what was happening in the neighborhood, and so forth.
I was talking to somebody the other day about the Lanes, George Lane who happened to be 49th Ward Committeeman. George lived over there on Glenlake; in fact, one of his sons is still living there, his oldest son - he’s head of Loyola University Press.
CH: Oh yeah?
BD: Yeah. And then one of his other brothers worked for Loyola Alumni office. Those were the two I really remember. Marty, Marty Lane. And then of course, he had a brother who used to live on Albion and had his dental office right where Loyola has that 19 story dormitory. He had his dental office in there on the second floor. Then he put a new one in, ahh…south of Barr, Barr over on Broadway, and Barr goes to the alley, and he had a building between the alley and Granville on the west side of the street. And I remember we did all the plumbing in there.
CH: Are you still in contact with Barr over there?
BD: Barr? Once in a while he’ll call me in. We’ve done a
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little bit of work, and what have you. They sort of changed because Bill Barr went up to Antioch and opened up a place up there. They were up there about four or five years when his wife died at a young age, unfortunately. So then his brother-in-law took over the place over here. His sister and brother-in-law are still there over on Broadway. They evolved over the years, too. They’ve gone from nothing to quite a bit - I think they even have a livery service over there, too. They hire out drivers and vehicles to people who need them. They have a few garages in there where I presume they keep the vehicles. Don’t know much about Broadway to tell you the truth. Don’t remember much because we never stomped up Broadway.
CH: No. Not Broadway.
BD: Not too much.
CH: It’s amazing that we have a little five corner wedge and nobody pays much attention to it.
BD: Well Clark Street still has a magnetism all its own. With all the traffic that goes by, there should be a certain magnetism to Clark. My dad always loved this street because he felt there was a lot to be gained just by having people walking back and forth and having the cars travel the street and what have you. It was like a magnet that just drew people in. And even now, occasionally, people come in. They stop because they know what was happening and saw the sign and wanted to talk to us or had a problem and maybe we could help them. "You go home and do this and this and maybe you might get by without us having to come over. And if you can, hey, great! You’ll save yourself a couple of bucks."
The cleaners; now I’m looking at the cleaners over there. There used to be a guy named Johnny Golsey. I went to school with his kids. He had two boys. Used to be on the corner of Devon right at the alley, west of Clark, on the north side of Devon. It was there for years and years, and all of a sudden somebody bought that and they wanted to change it around, so he had to get out and Johnny came here, and finally I think he went out to Arizona.
CH: What kind of business did he have across the street?
BD: A cleaners.
CH: He wasn’t a Luxembourger, was he?
BD: Golsey? I don’t think so. No. I don’t remember. Unfortunately, he’s probably dead by now. The reality of life sets in after a number of years. More and more, you look out the window and it hits you between the eyes!
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CH: You can say that again! And you can see the change in the neighborhood, too. I just happened to think when I was a kid I was blond and I went to Hayt School. Now you don’t see too many blonds in Hayt School anymore.
BD: No, no. It’s all changed. Neighborhoods change. And it’s not all bad. It’s good from one aspect that you have more of a diverse personnel, more diverse people. You get an appreciation for different styles of life and what have you. Schools change, property changes, businesses change; everything changes. That’s life in itself - change.
CH: Right. It seems to me that when you’re young, you think things are going to be there forever. And then you look and what happened?
BD: Right. Exactly. It will not stay the same. I don’t care where you’re at - it will not stay the same.
CH: No. It’s something that constantly moves around.
BD: I know that you are with the Edgewater Historical …There was a guy over here …actually he lived in Edgewater, ah .. Jerry…last name? Can’t remember right now. He’s dead, but his wife still lives over on Hermitage and Highland, on the northeast corner. He used to tell me stories about the folks up near Pratt, just north of Pratt. They used to put out blankets at night and food. The Indians used to come by when it was dark out, take the blankets, camp out on his lawn. In the morning they’d find all the blankets neatly folded, the food was gone, and there was no sign of anybody. Of course in those days, maybe before the turn of the century, people didn’t go out at night. Today, there’s a constant flow even at one or two o’clock in the morning on the streets and highways. He told interesting stories, but I can’t remember any others right now. He got involved with the Rogers Park Historical. He did a fair amount of work for them. You get a feel for all the neighborhoods. There’re all about the same. You might have a concentration of Polish or Germans in some. Here we had Luxembourgers, but there’s not many left. Understand there are some up in Wisconsin.
Further down, there is a guy named Snell. I think he’s almost
retired or if he isn’t, he is waiting to sell that building to
get out of there. He’s in (?) I don’t know if you ever worked with him.
CH: Yes, I did.
BD: Yeah, well there’s two sons, of which one is still living. And then his dad. They must go back eighty or ninety years in business. I do remember them. Really nice helpful people. You’d go over there and they’d say, "Yes, come back in a while;
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I’ll have it ready for you."
Across the street where Dunkin Donuts is. I don’t remember what was on that corner. Do you at all?
CH: No, I don’t remember. My direction was from here to Hayt School, but I know that we had (?) put a gutter on our garage way back when, you know.
BD: Uh huh, sure. They were good folks.
CH: I think that they did a lot of work in the neighborhood. You didn’t look in the yellow pages in those days.
BD: No. I’d say most people came from referrals, too.
CH: Yeah. Well, they probably didn’t have a lot of phones. What do you remember about your father?
BD: My dad? Well, he put in many, many hours. Worked like hell. With four boys, he had to, and I think we had a ferocious appetite. As he put it, he used to go down to the market and buy a slab of pork chops at five cents a pound.
CH: Yeah. I worked with your father and I remember him, too. He was very ambitious.
BD: He didn’t much sit around. That’s one of the reasons he stuck with his last boss, down here on Clark Street, about 5100 on the west side. Contractor - big guy - he had about 85 guys
going, and comes to Supervisor,
everything like this, and Dad’s still working. He calls him in on Friday and says, "This floor, beautiful. You can’t do anymore
with it. Come in Monday and clean up the shop." He says,
"There’s absolutely nothing to do. The work is not here. There’s nothing here." He says, " Well, that’s okay." Dad says, "Well, I tell you what I’m going to do. I’m going to go in business for myself." And so that’s what he did.
He started, and in the beginning he only worked one day a week. CH: He had no recourse. That’s all the work he could get to do.
BD: Exactly. It wasn’t easy. Then all of a sudden, he went around and talked to people he knew and got a little business here and there and all of a sudden it’s two days he’s working, then four days, and it’s three days, four days, and five days and even working on Saturdays when people had emergencies and stuff like that. You know, he got the entire neighborhood. And then further and further. I remember him going out for a friend, in Fox Lake or some place like that and this was very early in the fifties, and he packed everything up and there was no plumbing inthe house at all. There was going to be one kitchen, one
bathroom and the water lines. The water was in and the sewer was in. So he put up the stack for the bathroom and roughed everything in, and put the tub in and connected the tub, put the stack up for the kitchen sink and put the drain on for that, took the water from the service and ran the hot and cold water in the basement, and did the fixtures and up to the floors. At that time it was all cast iron pipe and then galvanized asnd threaded all your galvans. Not like today. Todays it’s a little bit easier.
CH: I would say a lot easier with the copper nowadays.
BD: Oh it’s a lot easier. At that time they did the entire job in 12 hours. That’s really flying.
CH: He had somebody with him?
BD: Yeah. He had a helper with him. Not a full fledged plumber, just a guy that’s going to help him. Cut a thread or two, or "Get me this and this." And Dad’s doing all the work. That’s a lot of work for 12 hours, I tell you. Today you don’t knock that off even with the advent of plastic and the City of Chicago allowing us to use plastic. You still can’t knock off a job like that in a day.
CH: Do they allow you to use plastic now?
BD: Yeah - it’s been about three years, roughly. Not in all cases, though.
CH: That’s just for drainage, isn’t it?
BD: Right. Not for water. No. We don’t like to see that. That would be bad.
CH: How many kids do you have?
BD: We’ve got five. One of my sons that works for me. Got a daughter that lives in Atlanta, Georgia. Got a son that works for Mr. Dominic in his fine establishment. Manager of the deli. And another daughter that works for the Swedish Home up in Evanston. She’s director of all the activities up there. Nice title. She just got a raise, so she’s happy. None of those places pay well, unfortunately. I think this place pays good for preparatory. And my youngest son is still trying to make his way out of college. One of these days, he may succeed. He’s been a perpetual, professional student.
CH: That’s how it feels to you!
BD: Yeah. The youngest, loves the fun, you know.
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CH: Is he the only one who went to college?
BD: No. My second daughter went to college. The rest of them thought it wasn’t a great big deal, unfortunately. They should have, but…Who knows what would have happened? Might have gotten into the stock market or something like that, gotten a seat on the Exchange - would have a nice tidy sum coming in every month and not have to worry about where each penny is going. In that sense, education does pay off in the long run.
CH: How many do you have working in here?
BD: Well, it’s small. Myself, my son and my nephew. They go down to the truck and get this and get that. They get the broom and the shovel and clean up. You probably had that from your dad when you first started. "Hey clean up the mortar I sling around. Clean off the plane."
CH: Oh, yeah.
BD: And by that, you learn the trade. You know, I don’t know if it’s the same with you, but you don’t appreciate your parents until they’re no longer with you. So many times I wasn’t happy with the work we did and now I appreciate it.
C H: Yeah.
DB: What did Mark Twain say? Your parents are sure going to get sharper after you go to four years of college. Ha ha.
CH: Yeah, yeah.
BD: All you talk about learning and doing - you learn by cleaning up and stuff like that, and I probably did too, except my dad dragged me up here when I was seven. "Now I want these things put in the right bin." Oh boy, if they weren’t in the size, and the galvinizer separated from the ….and the cast iron from the galvinize, and the fittings didn’t match, or if the size wasn’t right; everything the right size in the right bin, boy would I hear about it.
CH: Yeah, but you learned, right? BD: Oh sure.
CH: And now you have trained your son and nephew on the job, right?
BD: Yes, a parent educates everyday. Kids are learning whether they feel like it or not and you are able to get a lot better environment if you have two people doing the job. You can only do so much in 24 hours and the kids really have to have the two
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parents to develop the right way. Most of your successes, even though you might find once in a while a success story about a young lad who has really been successful and only had his mother to raise him, or maybe the father to raise him or whatever, but it generally doesn’t happen like that.
CH: No.
BD: Generally, it’s a detriment to young kids coming up and getting to the point where they feel they should be all that their parents think they should be.
CH: But it seems to me that you know if their parents were divorced, it doesn’t take much for them to think that they can get divorced, too.
BD: Well, it can work the other way around. They see the hindrances of divorce, and say, "Hey, wait a second. I don’t think that I want to see this in my life. I think that I would much rather have a happy marriage, keep the kids happy, keep my wife happy. It’ll be a nice union."
CH: Yeah.
BD: And I have the feeling it’s going to turn around, because there’s a lot of these kids now who aren’t getting married until they’re about thirty. My son was just married last year and he was thirty-one on a Friday and got married the next day. He put
in a few years of being educated, first. Which is not bad, not
bad at all.
CH: No.
BD: It’s one of those great things in society. We hope like heck it’s going to work. Marriage will go along, be successful, have kids.
CH: You must have gotten married kind of young to have five kids.
BD: My wife was twenty-two; I was twenty-four. CH: Not that young then, huh?
BD: No. It was out of the norm at the time. Kids got out of
school, and after they got out of school,
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they got married, and hopefully they have a job. That’s another thing.
CH: Yeah.
BD: We went along, and all of a sudden, I remember the first apartment we picked out before we bought the house. Oh, the rent - $92.50 a month, ha ha. And it was right over the boiler room, oh was it hot in the winter time. Was that nice. Nice apartment, nice neighborhood, up on Central and Belmont, in that
area. Folks used to live close by. And then of course we went
up to Skokie where I had you put the glass block window in part of my basement.
CH: What I remember mostly is working with my father helping him put that front porch in….
BD: Oh, for my dad. Oh, yeah, that’s still standing.
CH: Yeah. I never go by there, but I heard… there are so many jobs you work on that you take it for granted.
BD: You guys did the whole front and then you wrapped around the corner, like eight inches of brick, or something like that?
CH: I know we didn’t do the concrete…there was a water puddle there.
BD: Yeah.
CH: And your father was complaining about it.
BD: I don’t know who did that; maybe Dad even did it; who knows?
CH: No, no, no. You didn’t do it because you wanted to know what I did with it, but father didn’t do it .
BD: Ah. There are ways of doing things. And we may have broken it up a little bit so it would run into the grass. You wouldn’t trip on it, but it would run off into the grass.
CH; A little curve in there, yeah. I don’t know whether we put a hole in the wall so that the water would come out or what….
BD: I don’t think so. It’s still very nice over there. What was that 40 years ago?
CH: Yeah, yeah. No. I think it was more than that. 48 years ago.
BD: Wow! 48 years!
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CH: Yeah. My father did that when I was still pretty young.
BD: Yeah. Did you ever do any high stuff?
CH: That’s what I ended up doing. The high stuff.
BD: Like high rises?
CH: I wrote a….now that I’ve retired, I’ve taken up writing.
BD: Ahhh.
CH: I worked on Hollywood Towers and I wrote an article on it.
BD: Ohh. I know where that is.
CH: I gave it to Ruby (?) and he got very angry with my article. I just called it like it was. I didn’t do any lying. He really got very upset with it.
BD: Some people don’t want to know all the intricacies.
CH: Actually, it was uncles and fathers. It wasn’t him anymore; you know so it appeared that his parents got wronged. What can I tell you? There was a black laborer and an Hispanic and one of
the Rubys, he did a (?) (This part was unclear to the
typist.)
CH: He didn’t like the article.
BD: Well, you’re not going to change that.
CH: No, like I say, I wrote it as it happened.
BD: Exactly, exactly. You guys looked pretty promising to get that building down there, huh?
CH: No. They talked….They said, "It’s a done deal. Don’t worry about it; it’s a done deal."
BD: It probably took a while to get it well done. Ha ha ha.
CH: Well, you know. It was June before it goes before the board, or something like that. First there was an election, and then there was you know, before the board…
BD: Right, right.
CH: And then we actually get the title when I feel that we got it, because you know.
BD: It’s a nice little building over there.
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CH: Yeah, we feel it was just the right size for us.
BD: Done neat, especially that big first floor. Really do a
good number for your personnel.
CH: Yeah, being wheel chair accessible.
BD: That’s another thing you have to think about everything you put up. Everything has to have wheel chair accessibility.
Codes are written for that purpose only. That reminds me, you may even have to put an accessible washroom on the first floor.
CH: Yeah. I mentioned it to you, that in the future, we’re going to have to put a bathroom in on the first floor.
BD: Yeah. I..I didn’t put anything into that…. CH: No, no.
BD: We were just looking at existing
CH: Right. But there’s no doubt about it, it’s going to have to have a bathroom for wheelchair use.
BD: Right, for wheelchairs.
CH: We don’t want to make it any more complicated than what it is. We just want to show them what they are getting. They are getting $6,000 worth of mess, before we can even start…
BD: Or sort of exchange. All the pipes, boilers, and things like that.
CH: Yeah. And it’s ridiculous that the boiler ever got stolen.
BD: Ha, ha I’ve heard of things, but I’ve never heard of a
boiler
CH: Oh yeah. In new homes, especially, where you’ve got these track homes and stuff like that.
BD: Yeah. Those are so darn small. CH: So easy to get a hold of.
BD: Yeah. Take ‘em out, and of course, today, they are mainly forced air and they’re even easier to take out.
CH: Even if they are taken for the scrap iron.
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CH: No.
BD: Not for cast iron and iron and what have you; you don’t get much money. Even a ton’s worth of goods, if you’re lucky you might get $100.
CH: Well, do you think we’ve covered everything that you can
think of about
BD: I’m surprised I thought of as much as I did. Usually, I don’t. Yes, I think we’ve covered the neighborhood a little bit. There may be a lot of people around yet who could be of more help than I even was.
CH: Yeah. This was kind of interesting to me because, you know, inasmuch as I knew your father
BD: Exactly. Ah, things will get better. I sure wish you success when you get the new place all fixed up and it will really be nice.